29. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. So by definition, above any DC character except the equivalent of TOAA (The Presence. PR Beyonder was crazy powerful, and i have seen threads where he would beat thought robot superman. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. Follow 334. ago. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. 4 years ago. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Thanos (HOTU) Very debatable. Forum Posts. Round 2: Thanos has 1 year. Reviews: 0. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Copy. Likewise, nothing in Toaru would even constitute a threat to the lowliest monsters in the Scarlet King's army. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. ago. If allowed, Thanos with HOTU or astral regulator is top tier. 9 years ago. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. 10 months ago. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. lizyatearita. Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". And the LT he beat was undefined. 0. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. 4 years ago. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. 1344. Victory by permanent death or erasure. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Follow 75. Another statement made about. Kuuko273. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a drop in the. Also, what would you rank him as? A. Wiki. Just wanna point out, nexus beyonder is a thing, the goblin queen merged with beyonder corpse and gained part of his essence. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. As well as being compared to Pre Crisis Spectre, who dwarfs Odin, to Galactus and classic Exitar levels. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. Battle has been done so many damn times. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. u/nullfather can attest to that. The first thing here is this is only a character. He was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse. TOAA is above Thanos with the HOTU, a writer is> the written character. at the time "Don't make me post a pic of you in that one armor. @laflux said: MOM. TOAA is above all. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. not_anakin. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. This is Beyonders not the famous PR Beyonder. Molecule Man : r/whowouldwin. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Beyonder would just make remake everything that was destroyed. I am guessing since you said The Beyonder rather than A Beyonder you mean PR Beyonder, in which case he stomps. User. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. 313. 13 votes, 12 comments. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. @Pr_Beyonder: We Never saw it's limits, But Aang used it to completely seal away phoenix lord Ozai's Fire bending and made it so he "could never hurt anyone ever again. Also, I'm using PR Beyonder before he was retconned into a cosmic cube. K. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Posts. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder would blink Superman 1 million (whether gold or Kal kent) into non-existence. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. #1. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Beyonder was stated to be MILLIONS of times more powerful than THE MULTI-VERSE(at the time equal to OMNI-VERSE) COMBINED. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. #1. No, they can't adapt to. Follow 25782. His power was millions of times greater than all of Marvel combined. Forum Posts. also the living tribunal couldnt even do anything to PR beyonder. Forum Posts. 0. 11 years ago. #9 Edited By Supreme Marvel. How does Protege beat PR Beyonder? Protege vs Beyonder. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. The Beyonder's, on the other hand, aren't and that's what will give him the win. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Thanos with HOTU vs PR is still argued but do note all the cosmics were begging PR MM to fight Beyonder. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. PR Beyonder is the lesser of the two, so there we have it. Also you asked who in Marvel is more powerful than PR Beyonder, so there's no. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. I do not believe he was omniscient and that is a big difference. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Jul 30, 2018. This group is a joke compared to Celestials. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. "TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. Magic, on the other hand, is stuff you can’t do with science, it’s the realm of basically gods in Fate. Okay I've got a theory, you're either a bot or a really young kid who's interested in Battleboarding and is just throwing random characters out to see what's happening. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it]. You can say PR Byonder is more powerful then LT (M), Phoenix Force…hell even Phoenix of the White Crown would probably not be a match…But Those 3 have never met each other, and have bin ranked 2nd only to TTOA. Forum Posts. I just think with 15 minutes, they can pull something off. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. PRB represented the combined power of an entire multiverse, one that was so large it made. We're fighting the Guardians now the new ones (Hal, Atroticus, Lareeflezz, Sinestro, Carol, Saint walker, Indigo 1) Atroticus is Blood luInhuman BeyonderPost-Retcon Molecule ManLiving TribunalOblivionGalactus w/ Ultimate NulifierMad Jim JaspersHeralds of Galactus:The Fallen OneSilver SuThe Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Beyonder 39%. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. Put MM on the other team and the result is the same. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. 1. He. where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. He is another universe, pre-big bang. 8551. He killed Death for fun which still left LT powerless. The Beyonder First Appeared In 'Secret Wars'. . Round 3: Both team up to take on Galactus and Eternity. And,DC cosmology is encompassed by the story of Superman CAS embodies. Beyonder was the one above all before TOAAPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Oblivion is higher on the totem pole of power. Perfect teamwork. User Lists: 0As for the actual two strongest in each verse, I'd maybe say PR-Beyonder vs Lucifer Morningstar/The Gentry/ The Empty Hand. Bait? 1 year ago. 11 years ago. Pr beyonder. Follow 2797. PR Beyonder was TOAA in the beyond realm. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. His will is law. Follow 16064. I almost think they should be banned. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. PF wont last 1 minute in the fight. The Beyonders that killed all the Celestials then proceeded to shit on all the cosmic beings like The Living Tribunals. Battle 1SpidermanBatman Captin America Deadpool Storm Magneto Cyclops Wolverine Kitty Pryde Jean Grey(without PF) Juggernaut Red Hulk Savage Hulk Grey@Pr_Beyonder said: " Did Lucifer make an Dc's appearences? or is Vertigo accounted for when refferencing DC(I know they're the same company:P)? " Lucifer made 2 cameo appearances in the third. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. So LT + Abstracts + Ultimate Nullifier + other beings of the whole multi-verse other than Molecule. Whats the Greater Force of Power? COSMIC? or MAGIC? you be the Judge. Living Tribunal. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". Random encounter. Gokuisthebest. 4 years ago. There no need to insult. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. The BeyondersVS. 11 years ago. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. 0. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. The deciding factor imo is that Lucifer is a bloody genius. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. 14 years ago Lance. Follow 8935. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder is actually that powerful. Bo88gdan. 6 years ago deactivated. How far does he get? R1: The Justice League (Post-Crisis) R2: Superboy Prime. Manhattan's league. This topic is locked from further discussion. "TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. -5. By no means is he actually more powerful than the Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, etc. PR Beyonder. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. @majestic99. The one below all (TOBA). 0. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesIt could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. . Wiki Points. He's nowhere near the same ballpark as PR Beyonder. 0. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. 0. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. Black winter lost to king thor with the power of galactus. I don't know what handbook that text appeared in trying to retcon a retcon, but canonically, beyonders are responsible for the. Well, since the Beyonders are just a part of this multiverse whereas PR Beyonder was the entirety of a multiverse bigger than the MU, no. All are child's play compared to what Bugs could do. Random encounter. dope matchup. #1 KalKent1297. Originally, the Beyonder was the supreme being of another reality, dragged into the Marvel Multiverse by a failed. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. Morals off. 3rd. Reply reply more replies. Pokergeist. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. Has this been done before? the Search function is screwing me over if so. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. If The Presence go to Beyond-verse (the pre-retconed one) or to Marvel , he will lose against TOAA or PR Beyonder because he won't be omnipotent there. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. 8 years ago. Trigon took over 12 universes as a child and destroyed countless more. unicron didnt live threw the big bang he slept threw the omniversarall big bang beyonder took over the multiver/omniverse,unicron ate it/absubed it. Beyonder is the bigger god. The One Above All. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. PR Beyonder and the Beyonders fall into that category too, and you’ve claimed the former is “fodder”. 13 years ago. The art work and what not is horrible. Nothing more needs to be said. No. Forum Posts. Following Secret. ". 11 years ago. %Pr "this is not pre-con beyonder, it's cosmic cube being beyonder and a full power PF would be white crown who both these people can't beat 14 years ago. Doctor Manhattan couldn't really affect the Beyonder with any of his powers while the Beyonder can break the laws of nature and. Follow 26437. Minor nitpick. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. The Empty Hand blinks PR-Beyonder off the comic book page if he so desires and that is before he made the Oblivion Machine. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. 313. 2 years ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. Build Your Own Omnitrix. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. @Pr_Beyonder: Yes. Round 2: Molecule Man after the retcon Beyonder era. 14 from eithe side. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. very mutch doubt that. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract EntPR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. Flagged (sorry!) 11 years ago. Beyonder was either just omnipotent or the closest to it that anyone has gotten without being it. The beyonder should be able to Reply CyberpunkV2077 • Additional comment actions. Forum Posts. Here, Alden and Neon fall out of Nil after dying and land in the 6th. vs. BEYONDERGOD. And of course the LT himself. PR Beyonder was also a beast, without equal that was ever created orignally in it's existence (by Marvel). Could not. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. The art work and what not is horrible. PR Beyonder was specifically the sum total of a multiverse that dwarfs the Marvel multiverse. There are like at least dozens DC. So you cant say ToAA > Pr Beyonder. He was a way wanked character. In the Presence's case, Perpetua can create and destroy multiverses, The Judges are above her and the Presence is above them both. #1 Edited By bluepride1234. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Victory by permanent death or erasure. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. A fraction is still much more power than basic reality warping. 6th. Gen. Even The. They have been - however, the influence of the Phoenix now extends to the realm of the Beyonders, which is the same realm where the Beyonder from the 80s is from. (Cuz there are none. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. . they have quite the lineup. 4 years ago. 3 years ago. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. 801. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. R5: Dr. Wiki Points. 02-27-2015, 03:13 AM #3. PR Beyonder is comparable to at least 3 magicians combined, he stomps unbelievably hardPR Beyonder changed the entirety of the universe at his whim. Since this is PR Beyonder he might win, but the whole point of The Endless is that the three most powerful ones are way up there, and all of them combined have the same power level as the Presence. elaine ftw. Forums. PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. Lucifer's power is stated to be infinit, and he is virtually omnipotent. Funny, didn. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. Follow 15044. ". Michael Demiurge. Taikyoku is the beginning of all. M. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. Like, that kind of thing has to matter, if not, Flash can speed-steal Odin, or Galactus, or PR Beyonder. Lord Urizen. PR Beyonder is just as much close to some of TOAA's powers as HOTU Thanos is. So. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). However, that is NOT always the most accurate way to decipher a victory. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. Marvel has stated that Beyonder is the TOAA of his own reality and the Marvel Universe is only a droplet of water compared to that reality or something to that effect. Round 5, 6, 7 and 8: same as rounds 1, 2, 3 and 4 except that Batman is bloodlusted, he is working with Doom and Reed Richards and has 100x preparation time. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. Round 3 and 4: Same as round 1 and 2 without Infinity Gaunlet or Heart of the Universe. #12 Edited By Montaq. • 1 year ago. Besides when PR Beyonder and PR Molecular Man fought , we know MM was Beyonder's only friend. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. 7 years ago. Casually Oneshotting all of dc is beyond anything pr beyonder or any beyonders have ever done. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. Michael doesn't really have a lot in the way of feats, other than statements by other characters and some. So Beyonder casually stomping and being above people who casually stomp multiversal beings, is a massive step up. And matched Mxy at one point. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. This is a toss up. (The bKorvac wields Power Cosmic. This is Marvel Vs Dc to see who has had the biggest Villain threats of all time. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Since his feats and stuff have. Oh wait that would mean auto win to Marvel. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. Even PR Beyonder is just an infinite dimensional reality warper, and the Archetypes whom are significantly weaker than the Outer Gods control infinite dimensional multiverses and beings like chess. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. This topic is locked from further discussion. Not only that, but the mirrors contained nothing more than aborted universes. g2_ Follow 14321. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. Nobody can beat PR Beyonder. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. Phoenix is on par with those guys. Mxyzptlk. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Morpheus_ said: "Michael already defeated the Spectre, in the Spectre's own series, no less. Adm1ralSnackbar. Couple of things; 1) It's a bit disingenuous to insinuate that I'm claiming that Flash has no limits. Crom-Cruach. Darkseid depends, but i think a hakai would destroy an avatar. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Of this, The Beyonder is the Supreme Being of that Outerverse, which is orders of magnitude larger than the Infinite Multivwrse. HOTU Thanos. 2. 12 years ago. Forum Posts. unicron wins and heres why. @majestic99. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. PR Beyonder and it’s not a fight. Van_Cere. 9 years ago. . Brainiac is a hive consciousness that. Wiki Points. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . PR Beyonder stomps this team. Reviews: 1. Destroying the metaverse, which is stated to be. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. 0. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. 0. Doom with Beyonder's powers was afraid to use even half of it, as he worried it would destroy the universe. @laflux said: MOM. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. 13 years. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. 14 years ago. Without the Pre-Retcon clause, Beyonder is ridiculously hosed, being outclassed by a Cosmic Cube. More recently in some versions TOAA has got more anti feats that PRB in terms of power, with Thanos events involving TOAA go. With just the Beyonders it would be a good battle and "might" even favor the DC trio for the win. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed.